I almost fell for a scam today. No, not the Russian Spy Scam that I wrote about yesterday. This is a phone company slamming scam and almost falling for it is something that I'm not proud of. But, instead of wallowing in my near humiliation in private, I'll blog about it as a public service.
I received a phone call today from someone who said that they were an employee of Cincinnati Bell and that they were calling to tell me that Cincinnati Bell was switching billing providers and that they were required by the FCC and the Federal Privacy Act to inform us and have us agree to the change. That seemed innocent enough. She said that the costs would remain the same and that it was just a different company that would handle the printing and billing of our account.
That seemed plausible to me, but something about this made me feel a little apprehensive about it. It seemed a little strange to me that an internal matter like billing needed to be approved by the customer. I mentioned that to the representative. She agreed that it was a hassle and but that there was a note that was sent out in the last phone bill about the change. She said that most people had not seen the note and that she would be happy to fax me a copy after she got of the phone with me. She also said that Cincinnati Bell was required by the FCC to make this call. I told her that I was concerned about calls like this because I was getting a lot of scam calls offering to list us in "yellow pages" or other services that I don't want that we end up getting billed for. She said that she understood and that as a customer, it was always important to make sure that you were speaking to a Cincinnati Bell employee like she was.
She went on to explain that if I agreed to the new billing company change, my billing costs would remain the same, but would now be processed by NSBI instead of the old company. She said that to make the change I would be asked some simple verification questions by a third party verification service. She said that I would have to answer "yes" to all of them or I would be routed back to another representative to start the process over again.
She said that she would read each question to me now to explain it to me so that I would understand what I was saying "yes" to. The first several questions were basic, over 18, address, and phone number, etc. The last couple of questions were bothersome to me: "Do you understand that NSBI will be adding $14.95 to your bill". She said that I should answer "yes" because the $14.95 charge was something that would be absorbed by Cincinnati Bell and not passed on to me. The last question was "Do you agree that NSBI would handle long distance charges, inter and intra-state calls. She said that "yes" was required because NSBI would be handling the billing for Cincinnati Bell long distance calls.
I was very, very uncomfortable with this but she really sounded official and sympathetic to my concerns. She wasn't a strange voice from an Indian call center and she sought to calm my concerns by saying that she would fax me the information as soon as she transferred me to the verification service.
I agreed and I was transferred to the verification service. At this point I was extremely suspicious and I don't know why I continued to go through with this. Maybe that explains why so many people are taken in by scams. I had seen the red flags, but I only slowed to question them, not to stop.
The guy from the verification service who came on the line said that he was with such and such verification service and that he had some questions to ask. When he got to the phone numbers of my business, he read back my phone and my fax numbers and asked if those were all the numbers I had. I actually have 4 more phone numbers that roll into my main voice line. They would have known that if my numbers were sent to them by Cincinnati Bell. I was very suspicious but once again I didn't stop and answered the questions like I was told to.
Immediately after the call I went to look at my fax machine and there was nothing there. No note from the Cincinnati Bell employee explaining the billing change. I immediately called Cincinnati Bell and talked to one of their business representatives. She told me that no change in billing was happening and that it was probably a scam. She checked my account and told me that I was safe, that I had locked the account down last year against third party billings and portings. Any change to my phone account would have to be authorized by me directly. So, I managed to save me from myself last year! She said that she would report this scam to her supervisor, but that I would be fine.
This was a total con-game. The verification service was legitimate, but the woman who called was a fraud. She almost successfully got me to change my phone service by the way she framed around the questions from the verification service. Afterwards, I realized that she also managed to get an additional number to slam, my fax number that I had given her to fax me the billing company change information. It was a very smooth job and pretty sophisticated. I'd like to think that I'm smart enough not to get scammed, but this came pretty darn close.
The lessons that I learned from today:
1. Never agree to say "yes" to anything unless you agree with it.
2. Never agree to anything with a telecommunication company that calls you. If you want to make a change in your phone service or have a question, call your phone company.
3. Call your phone company and have them lock down your phone account. Make sure that third parties can't bill you and that your number can not be ported without your verbal authorization.
4. Listen to yourself if you feel uneasy. There's probably a reason for it.
I received a phone call today from someone who said that they were an employee of Cincinnati Bell and that they were calling to tell me that Cincinnati Bell was switching billing providers and that they were required by the FCC and the Federal Privacy Act to inform us and have us agree to the change. That seemed innocent enough. She said that the costs would remain the same and that it was just a different company that would handle the printing and billing of our account.
That seemed plausible to me, but something about this made me feel a little apprehensive about it. It seemed a little strange to me that an internal matter like billing needed to be approved by the customer. I mentioned that to the representative. She agreed that it was a hassle and but that there was a note that was sent out in the last phone bill about the change. She said that most people had not seen the note and that she would be happy to fax me a copy after she got of the phone with me. She also said that Cincinnati Bell was required by the FCC to make this call. I told her that I was concerned about calls like this because I was getting a lot of scam calls offering to list us in "yellow pages" or other services that I don't want that we end up getting billed for. She said that she understood and that as a customer, it was always important to make sure that you were speaking to a Cincinnati Bell employee like she was.
She went on to explain that if I agreed to the new billing company change, my billing costs would remain the same, but would now be processed by NSBI instead of the old company. She said that to make the change I would be asked some simple verification questions by a third party verification service. She said that I would have to answer "yes" to all of them or I would be routed back to another representative to start the process over again.
She said that she would read each question to me now to explain it to me so that I would understand what I was saying "yes" to. The first several questions were basic, over 18, address, and phone number, etc. The last couple of questions were bothersome to me: "Do you understand that NSBI will be adding $14.95 to your bill". She said that I should answer "yes" because the $14.95 charge was something that would be absorbed by Cincinnati Bell and not passed on to me. The last question was "Do you agree that NSBI would handle long distance charges, inter and intra-state calls. She said that "yes" was required because NSBI would be handling the billing for Cincinnati Bell long distance calls.
I was very, very uncomfortable with this but she really sounded official and sympathetic to my concerns. She wasn't a strange voice from an Indian call center and she sought to calm my concerns by saying that she would fax me the information as soon as she transferred me to the verification service.
I agreed and I was transferred to the verification service. At this point I was extremely suspicious and I don't know why I continued to go through with this. Maybe that explains why so many people are taken in by scams. I had seen the red flags, but I only slowed to question them, not to stop.
The guy from the verification service who came on the line said that he was with such and such verification service and that he had some questions to ask. When he got to the phone numbers of my business, he read back my phone and my fax numbers and asked if those were all the numbers I had. I actually have 4 more phone numbers that roll into my main voice line. They would have known that if my numbers were sent to them by Cincinnati Bell. I was very suspicious but once again I didn't stop and answered the questions like I was told to.
Immediately after the call I went to look at my fax machine and there was nothing there. No note from the Cincinnati Bell employee explaining the billing change. I immediately called Cincinnati Bell and talked to one of their business representatives. She told me that no change in billing was happening and that it was probably a scam. She checked my account and told me that I was safe, that I had locked the account down last year against third party billings and portings. Any change to my phone account would have to be authorized by me directly. So, I managed to save me from myself last year! She said that she would report this scam to her supervisor, but that I would be fine.
This was a total con-game. The verification service was legitimate, but the woman who called was a fraud. She almost successfully got me to change my phone service by the way she framed around the questions from the verification service. Afterwards, I realized that she also managed to get an additional number to slam, my fax number that I had given her to fax me the billing company change information. It was a very smooth job and pretty sophisticated. I'd like to think that I'm smart enough not to get scammed, but this came pretty darn close.
The lessons that I learned from today:
1. Never agree to say "yes" to anything unless you agree with it.
2. Never agree to anything with a telecommunication company that calls you. If you want to make a change in your phone service or have a question, call your phone company.
3. Call your phone company and have them lock down your phone account. Make sure that third parties can't bill you and that your number can not be ported without your verbal authorization.
4. Listen to yourself if you feel uneasy. There's probably a reason for it.
I was just 'scammed' by NSBI. "Holly" called saying, "AT&T is changing billing system to send two separate bills, resulting in extra charges of $10 instead of the existing charge of $7 which is included in my present bill." If I wanted top save the extra charge I had to approve keeping my present billing system. Please answer the questions of the 'supervisor' who would confirm my choice. I did not wait for the 'supervisor' but was given the number 800-745-2479 to verify that this is a legitimate call. AT&T confirmed that it was a scam to change my LD carrier.
Thanks for sharing. It sounds like you figured it out in time to stop from being scammed.
I also received a phone called, saying it was AT&T and the company was seperating and i was going to receive two phone bills and in order for me just to get one phone bill they had to charge $6.99, and confirm the change to NSVI, they had to me say yes to all the questions. After they hanged up they called back again and had a verfication call. After i search the internet for NSVI and saw this fraud website so i called AT&T to verified if there was a changr and they said no, and told me probably i received a called that has been going around and they add to my account to block services that try to change my international calls.
next time i should search the web while they give me their information to see if its true.
I also received a call from NSBI, Jen Brown id#970404 said she was required by FCC to offer me the wholesale rate of $6.99 per line for our line fee. She mentioned in state and out of state but when I ask if they were a long distance provider she said no, just a billing service and AT&T would still be my provider. She said she could see on my bill that I was paying $16.99 per line and she could reduce it to $6.99. I told her there was no amount like that on my bill and she said she was looking at my bill right now and could see it on the summary page. I told her it was not there. I felt uneasy about this so I called AT&T and they said they do their own billing and do not need to contract with anyone else.
She called back and I told her I was not interested and she said that AT&T lied to me and should get his name and ID number. I told her to call me the next day before I made a decision and I called my brother-in-law who works with phone service for a large company. He said they ARE a long distance reseller and buy mass quantities of long distance minutes from providers and I would be changing my long distance carrier to NSBI if I told them yes.
I would only save $3.00 if I made the change and I would loose some of my discount rates from AT&T by not having my whole service with them.
When she calls back I am going to tell her she is working for a company that is a scam to deceive people into believing they are saving money that their current provider will not do for them and that insisting that it was the line fee that they would be changing can only be done by a Provider, so she lied about that too.
This just happened to me a moment ago. Sherry was very professional sounding and almost had me convinced except that she kept commenting about personal stuff going on in her life. While we were waiting for the 3rd party to pick up my red flags went up so I googled them. As soon as I saw the scam issues, the 3rd part picked up and asked me a question. So I stated that I wanted to speak with Sherry and explained my hesitation and that I was looking at all these scam situations. She said, and I quote "you can google McDonald's and it will tell you they sell dog food, so believe what you want to, we are a legitimate company". When I said I wanted more time to do some research, she said in a snotty voice that I could pay the higher rate if I felt necessary and hung up before I could respond. What a scam!!
Yes I just got off the phone with NSBI. They also called a week ago and I ended up hanging up on them.
So again I get another call and yes they do sound very professional but I the call did not feel right and felt more suspious. Asked Jennifer for her number to call her back and yes the same # 800-745-2479. But she said she would have to call back to do the verification.
Scam all right - I'd like to know how NSBI can get away with this after all this time.
I just received a call from NSBI! They've changed the scam. Now they say they are verying lower rates that have been mandated by the FCC and if I did not verify our information our current carrier (whom the operator could not identify) would not have to bill us at the lower rate. Bells and whistles right away when I could not get any info. faxed to me or a phone number to call back to after I had verified with my current carrier.
I have received 12 calls from this company in the past two weeks! Today, when they called and I actually had the chance to talk to a live person. She asked to speak with the person who handled our long distance service. We are a small business and we don't have a single person who handles our phone service. I did get some information from them...I did not give them any info regarding our business...in fact I did not answer the phone with our usual business name...I just said "hello."
This outfit is located in Nevada and when I asked for their phone # she told me that they only had "outbound" numbers.
I asked to be removed from their call list. There is more information on this scam company - see Google and 800NOTES.com
Yet another NSBI scam attempt here that was only saved by their own ineptitude! Our office (a non-profit organization) was called 10 days ago by NSBI and got the whole nine yards about the FCC and the lower line rates etc. I (foolishly) verified our numbers even though I was a little unsure as I had a name and number to call them back on.
Today (2/14/11) I just had another call, from a different person at NSBI, telling me the same thing. When I explained that I already registered he refused to believe me but said he'd check and call back. He did call back to say "It didn't go through - you must not have registered". When I explained that I did indeed register and that he could go and listen to the recording as proof, he transferred me without my knowledge to their 'customer service' department. I too was given the 800-745-2479 number and the address for their head office in Las Vegas. I asked for written information, or something via fax/email and was told that they "can't do that" - right then I knew something was wrong with the whole deal and told the guy that if I was interested I'd call back.
Now I will have to watch our next bill to make sure the original order didn't take, and if it did I'll be sending Verizon and the FCC letters of complaint. This abuse and scamming has got to stop!
I almost just got slammed too. Am in San Antonio and NSBI emloyee said FCC was making AT&T lower their rates and that I just needed to agree that the billing would come from them for long distance and not AT&T. She was very agreeable and nice but I when she said the word "change" read flags went up and I told her I was not changing anything and if rates were cheaper I would look into it on my own time at a later date!
March 1, 2011. I almost got slammed too - in Louisville, KY. Just got off the phone with Corey Werner, Agent #970415 with the spiel about lowering our rates. I asked for information to be mailed or faxed - he couldn't do that. He said info was sent out with phone bill in June and Aug. Since I pay the bills, I would have seen any info included with the bill. I told him I would have to check the June and Aug statement. He was a fast talker and reading the info so fast I couldn't keep up with him. I told him he sounded like other calls I have gotten during the last 5 years to change our phone service. He assured me he was not one of them. I just checked our AT&T statements for 2010 and there was no information attached that I had overlooked; then I checked on-line to see what NSBI was all about.
When you get a call from a company that you have done business with, remember this....they will NOT call you, it will be done through mail.
Just got hit by Agent #230030 from NSBI saying the same thing about lowering the bill and it would be NO cost to be using their long distance service. Hitting the At&t service.